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MOROS: To be or not to be...
Here's one more Piss Book discussions about the Ingaran a MOROs.
Arata Wata The current barrages of verbal abuses against our Bangsa is obviously an issue of respect. The Indios have come to believe that we don't deserve an ounce of respect and so they can say or do whatever they like without repercussions. Unfortunately, until we get the respect of the Indios, we'll never get justice from them.
How can we gain their respect?
We've been fighting the longest running war of resistance in history and some of us took the brand name MORO to scare them but we may have scared some but we lost the respect of many.
How about if we drop the brand name MORO (after all its not ours) and assume a proper name, a respectable name that emphasizes our commonality with the Indios. Let our new name declare that we are all Malays, that we were all brothers and sisters before the freakin' Spaniards came and spread their religion and mayhem.
Lets break the tribal divide. If we are not the feared and hated MOROs, if we are their Malay brethrens, maybe, they will be more accomodating to our aspirations.
Its easier to give something good to a brother than to an enemy. Don't you think?
Oh, how I hate the name MORO anyways... and so many of us share the same sentiment about this Spanish-given freakin' name.
I believe proper name is important in our struggle.
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- Arata Wata I don't give a damn shit about all those links and quotes from the foreign authors. I care about the sentiments of Pasbal, Padool, Pakbool and Pokndar and Rayyan Makno because they are the object of the slur. Re-read my analogy. WE DID NOT CALL OURSELVES MOROS, IT OFFENDS US BUT THE FOREIGN WRITERS KEEPS CALLING US MOROS.Yesterday at 12:12pm ·
- Arata Wata ... AND THATS NOT AN AFFIRMATION THAT WE ARE MOROS. BUT WORSE, YOU GLORIFY THE SLUR.Yesterday at 12:16pm ·
Sam Alih Mustal Arata Wata: "I don't give a damn shit about all those links and quotes from the foreign authors. I care about the sentiments of Pasbal, Padool, Pakbool and Pokndar and Rayyan Makno because they are the object of the slur. Re-read my analogy. WE DID NOT CALL OURSELVES MOROS, IT OFFENDS US BUT THE FOREIGN WRITERS KEEPS CALLING US MOROS.
Read my second post re Moors just the first paragraph. You don't give a damn with those links? Come on don't be too close-minded :D Face it. :D
OFFENDED ba ang mga Morocco dahil ang lugar nila ay Morocco?Yesterday at 12:21pm ·-
Sam Alih Mustal I did not even attempted to REDEFINE what Moro is... Check my links and read it kesa naman sabihin mo sa akin na nag-redefine ako ng sarili kong terminology. Di ako katulad niRayyan Makno na hindi alam ano ang difference ng Latin at Greek.Yesterday at 12:23pm ·
- Arata Wata Kapatid, anong masasabi mo dito? Tarantado yata iyong manga ninono natin ano? Manga walang hiya sila at hindi nila ipagmamalaki ang pangalan na moros. Manga walang hiya bakit sila nagalit kay Nur Missuari sa pangalan ng MOROs. Fuck our elders, is that what you guys are saying?
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- Arata Wata I believe this MORO Myth is nothing but a display of extreme arrogance. Forget the sentiments of the very people who are the objects of the slur, forget the callers definition. All that matter is Morokontay's glorious definition.
Boy, I remember my daddy saying "kagiya aki a MIMOROMOROS siran dn!". That doesn't count for the "enlightened" Morokontays, of course.Yesterday at 12:48pm · 
Aminullah Alonto Lucman yeah I always hear your dad say thatArata Wata ami ha ha ha ha MkkkkYesterday at 12:53pm ·- Arata Wata Don't tell me the Spaniards choose the bestest name in the world for their brother MOROs. GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK! Get real Morokontays!Yesterday at 12:54pm ·
Phadz Benito Ano ang sabi mo brother arata wata...moros...ang pinaguusapan MORO...hindi moros...ikaw talaga...THE TERM OR WORD MORO IS NOT AN INVENTION OF THE SPANIARDS, THE WORD moro or moor originated from greek ajective "mavro" (plural "mavroi) meaning black or dark skinned. moro developed into a word that refers to a group to a group of people....Brother rayyan..it is good tobe held accountable for a good cause and reason.Yesterday at 12:54pm ·- Arata Wata Phadz Benito, since when did one have to be a history genius and philosopher when he talks about his name? When something stinks, I guess. I am not even gonna venture into the Morocco or the English dictionary. I am not a scholar and a philosopher.
The bottom line is we already accommodated your Morokontay philosophy. You can keep it. Be as proud as you can be. Stay Moros. Stay Moklo. We are still brothers and sisters in the Bangsa. We will try to work on rectifying our name.Yesterday at 1:01pm · -
Phadz Benito I DO NOT LIKE TO BE A PART OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OFTEN REFUSING TO UNDERSTAND AND LEARN HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY...ESPECIALLY THOSE AGAINST THE UNITY OF MUSLIMS IN MINDANAO...IN SOME ISLAMIC SAYING NO MATTER HOW AND WHAT MUSLIM GOOD DEEDS, THEY WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNLESS WE JOIN TO THEIR FAITH.Yesterday at 1:15pm ·
- Arata Wata Who gave you the idea that we are not for unity? What the hell? Where did you get that idea brother? Did you even read the thread and understand what we are talking about?
Also in Islam, we are required to drop our stupid idea if we are proven to be on the wrong side. It doesn't matter where the good idea come from. How do you think the glorious Islamic Civilization came about in Spain? Was it all Arabic? Ooops, I don't want to be philosophical and scholarly. I am not.Yesterday at 1:18pm ·
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- Arata Wata So far the score is 0. We haven't convinced a single Morokontay soul. I truly admire their fanaticism. I wish they could direct those energy into the betterment of the Bangsa, the are the ones "on the ground".Yesterday at 1:26pm ·
Abuaiman T. Limbona moor/moors.. moro/moros..i think its something to say about singular-plural forms of words if my guess is right.Yesterday at 1:30pm ·-
Abuaiman T. Limbona The longest discussion thread i ever read since joining facebook and the topic is interesting. Say more and we'll listen.Yesterday at 1:48pm ·
- Arata Wata Dont just listen Abuaiman T. Limbona. Take side. This is your name we're talking about. Baka sa huli ang magiging pangalan mo BANGSA PORONDOY, tapos magrebolosyon ka naman. MKKKKKKKKK (MiyaKayaKayad).Yesterday at 1:50pm ·
- Arata Wata Be the 1st one on the Anti-Moro side. You know it pays to be the first, like, first husband. MKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKYesterday at 1:51pm ·
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- Arata Wata Entertainment muna. This song is called "Tai a Kambing", meaning, "Goat shit" (please excuse my languge). That's how I describe a very close friendship.
Abuaiman T. Limbona, you can translate the meaning of the song. Sorry I did not have a real music video for this song. This was for my Piss Book friends.
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Abuaiman T. Limbona okay, brod. Arata Wata, Am on the side of, how they call it, a rejectionist? But am not but a reformist maybe. I strongly don't agree of being called as moro for a very simple reason, it was tagged to us by the mortal enemy of our AGAMA.Yesterday at 2:13pm ·
- Arata Wata Yehey! Congratulations! Palakpakan! MKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Thank you brother.
Malo tano di shablaw igira tanto a miyaserious (lets have a little fun sometimes)... BECAUSE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, MANGA TAI A KAMBING TANO. DI TANO MAKAPMBLABLAG. We are like goat shits, we are stuck together. We are still brothers and sisters in the Bangsa.
MKKKKKKKKKKKKKYesterday at 2:27pm · - Arata Wata If this thread is indeed our "Arab Spring", BrotherAbuaiman T. Limbona will be in the history book as the "first convert".Yesterday at 2:42pm ·
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Phadz Benito any harassment/maltreatment to the word MORO is directly related to the disunity of the muslim in Mindanao brother ARATAWATA...YOU will ask me why? MORO MEANS PEOPLE IN THE AREAS OF THE MUSLIM THAT INCLUDES Muslim freedom WARRIORS who depended/depend/support BY BLOOD the right of the MUSLIM in mindanao for self - determination...and other right for INSTANCE LAND...RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION.... SECOND..THERE IS A TENDENCY TO BE DESPISED/DISGUST OR DISOWN BY SOME MUSLIM TRIBES...IN MINDANAO...THAT WILL RESULT TO DIVISIVENESS/FACTION BY FACTION.Yesterday at 2:43pm ·
- Arata Wata (APO) Brod Phadz Benito thats what they call us. Did we call ourselves that name? Those declaration documents referred to us as MOROs because that what the Americans call us. BUT DID WE REALLY CALL OURSELVES MOROS? I know, my dad and my entire family are not MOROs.
Let me ask you Brod. If a foreigner come today and call you something bad like Porondoy because he did not like you and he meant it in a very bad way, and he refer to you as Porondoy in all his blogs, does that make you Porondoy? Remember, you did not accept it. You hated the name because its not true.Yesterday at 3:28pm · -
Abuaiman T. Limbona it's my take as first convert..
Yes, it is indeed bound to disunity if we still stick to the detestable name tagged to us by the colonizer. Early sign is that our brother now in sulu have a planned to declare their own independence under Bangsa Sug and they have the reason on it.
And to avoid that to happen I believe that we need to redefine our identity, otherwise we will propose a Bosnia Herzegovina system of government if we will be united to go for an independent state, not a sub-state.
We are united anyway under the banner of Islam.Yesterday at 4:16pm · - Arata Wata Alhamdulillah! That's a real man! A thinking man. Its not an insult to take the right path brothers and sisters.
You have a very good point there Abuaiman T. Limbona. I did not even think about that. Just to add to that, our brother Tausogs were shouting We are not MOROs. We are Tausogs.
You made my day brother. I know this is a long and hard fight but we gotta do what's good for the Bangsa. The future generation will judge us for what we do or don't do today.
PLEASE BROTHERS, LETS JOIN HANDS. BE PART OF A NATION-BUILDING OR REBUILDING. OUR TIME HAS COME. THIS IS IT! BE PART OF HISTORY.Yesterday at 4:23pm · - Arata Wata Insha Allah, Brother Abuaiman T. Limbona, your faith in our cause will not be in vain. We will launch a campaign and ask our local governments and schools to at least, open the discussion.
But as I said at the start of this thread, we have the will to do what we think is right but the final outcome is not ours to dictate. It's God's. We only have to do our part.Yesterday at 4:27pm · -
Abuaiman T. Limbona Thanks brod. Arata Wata. We will and our million steps will start here inshaAllah.Yesterday at 4:35pm ·
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- Arata Wata I did not see this,
Datu Ali Al-Moro No, they are dead serious! try reading their minds in their own-created egroup "to be or not to be Moro." They are dead serious that "our" national identity should be Iranaun/Iranun.
Either the Datu does not understand English or twisting the story, like what Fox News does. Can you please paste here where we say our national identity should be Iranaon? Please...Yesterday at 4:43pm · - Arata Wata Now, Datu Ali Al-Moro is really a liar. NO DOUBT! That's a terrible combination. A lying fanatic Morokontay.
Please don't ever attribute to us what did not come out of our mouths. Thats the biggest lie you have said lately and a very destructive accusation. Good thing that Kirby Matalam's robot is not somewhere near or you will be spanked.
I know you don't have an ounce of respect for the Iranaon but that's besides the story.Yesterday at 4:53pm · -
Datu Ali Al-Moro Can you please paste here where we say our national identity should be Iranaon? Please...Arata Arata Wata
I am pleased to reply: The "Moro, to be or not to be" egroup created by no other than Arata Wata is smacked of these racism-against-their-race posts"
1) "Take Note : "All Filipinos Including those with Ascribed Bangsamoro Identity": >Meaning those who use name MORO therefore we can also ascribed our Identity as a Iranaon . . . . what do you think manga pagarikulyz??? Think! " from Kalopindo Sa Ranao's
Proposal #11.
Then you replied him: "i have not read this. roo ini sa gioto a propsal?"
2)"We are BANGSA IRANUN or simply Iranon from the very beginning." from Magdara L. Tanggote's post "Why not MORO?"
3)Guib Munder's comment: "So BANGSA IRANAON na maporo i daradat a bangsa."
4)from Zamanodin B. Acmad's post BANGSA MELAYU MINDANAON, "we have a own identity being as a Iranaon..."
5)Guib Munder's post "So kiyabatiya akoron ko kya bembaraon sa news paper a poon ko libro a inisorat a merikano na si LAPU-LAPU NA TITHO DEN A IRANAON."
Then you replied him:
"oway ka gioto a isa a totolan iranon na so ingaran a moros na sii miyakapoon sii ko manga loks tano a ilanun a mapasang i kapakitidawa sa ig. katawi ko ron na so manga iranaon na aya kalowi sa giyaya manga muslim sa pilimpinas. kna ba. sa gioto, aya a darpa tano na ipoon sa ilana bay, giyanan a iligan na sktano i pamakaoma roo sa visayas, taman sa luzon na miyaoma kon o manga apo tano sa kiyawitairan ko katidawa ko manga spanish colonies.
na gioto giyanan a visayas na sphere of influence anan o manga bangsa iranaon. kna ba so maguindanaon o di na so solog, ka mas marani rktano. sa gioto si kali rapu na sii makapopoon ko bangsa tano, kna ba margn pamimikirann. sa so bangsa iranaon na skanian i first a miyakataban sa european sa southeast asia, at least.
gioto ba so bangsa tano na it made history. da mataban o super power that time.
opama na lagid o giyaya a afghanistan na daa malaslas a amerika."
This guy Arata Wata, is the creator and administrator there. seems he is not responsible enough to read those posts and comments proving what they have in their minds. they instead commend the likes of these posts there. that simply proves again what you have in your mind: IRANAUN.
And dissect the inherent arrogance in their claim of such tribe (they say it's a nation, gosh!), the inherent sirk in such a claim, when the Rasul sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam cautioned us that anyone is not superior to another except in piety. The Darangan where they based upon their claim of authenticity is full of accounts veering toward sirk!
WHO IS NOW LYING ARATA WATA? :-D23 hours ago ·-
Datu Ali Al-Moro These guys do not care to read or consider reading except those what would artificially support their invented claim. It has been proven that it was not the Spaniards who first uttered the word "Moro;" that prior to their (Spaniards) coming, Moro had been existent a nationality of Muslims from Iberian Peninsula to SEA as good trade partners, translators, military personnel, etc. Pigafetta accounted that they did not considered Moros as threat or enemy when they landed in the Archipelago now called the Philippines. They even paid courtesy calls to Moro chieftains whenever they set foot at Moro lands. That simply means they know beforehand that they would meet Moros whenever they sail toward SEA.22 hours ago ·
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Datu Ali Al-Moro I thought they are not accepting accounts coming from the foreigners. I see in their psych how beholden is the book of Warren "Iranuns and Balanguigi." I thought foreign accounts have no place in them? The "Philippines" had truly gush forth from the mouth of the Spaniards. And it(Philippines) is adapted still today. Why aren't they complaining of it?22 hours ago ·
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Datu Ali Al-Moro And stop saying I have no respect for the Iranun. Do not put your defeatist mentality on my mouth Arata Wata.22 hours ago ·
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Phadz Benito Thanks..Hourton (pen...) I AM A PROUD MARANAW, A PROUD MORO, AND A PROUD MUSLIM....22 hours ago ·
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Datu Ali Al-Moro As a warm rejoinder to kaka Phadz Benito, "I am proud I am a Maguindanaon. But I could also be proud had I been a Maranao, or a Tausog, or a Yakan, or a Sama, or a Badjaw, or a Kalagan, or a Sangil, or an Iranun or Ilanun, or a Palawani, or a Melebugnon, or a Kalibogan or a Jama Mapun, because I am proud I am a Bangsamoro."22 hours ago ·
- Arata Wata Datu Ali Al-Moro is that how you got the idea that we wanted Iranaons to be the name of the Bangsa? You are a piece of art brother. You are too much for me.22 hours ago ·
Haider Isnaji You don't have to entertain Arata Wata's, and the like, silly idea. Arata wata? What kind of name is that?
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Datu Ali Al-Moro Bro Haider Isnaji, "wise have something to say; fools have to say something."22 hours ago ·
Alih Aiyub With due respect, in this forum walang pikonan please let's elevate our discussions and sharings within ethical standards, reminder lang po!21 hours ago ·
Khalid Dumagay Please bring back the discussion to the real issue. Lets discuss how we can take advantage in the postponement of ARMM Election in the name of reform. A reliable source informed me that Malacanang after knowing the complexity of ARMM issues AY NAGSISI SILA SA HAKBANG NA TO DAHIL SA TAAS NG EXPECTATION NG MGA TAO. A veteran malacanang adviser even tell them (Malacanang Boys) na BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YOU WISH FOR!19 hours ago ·- Arata Wata Haider Isnaji, you can click on "edit setting" and unclick on your notification so you don't get this shit in your inbox. Or you can unsubscribe to this particular thread. Its just a click away.
As for the personal attacks, that clearly went beyond the scope of this discussion and I don't go that level. I am sorry. I can say that you are the stupidest moron if you did not get the point of this discussion but that will not do me good or make me happy. And if you did not notice, I try to cool down the discussion every now and then. I always apologize or remind everyone that we are brothers and sisters in Bangsa even if we differ in our opinions. Personal attacks is not in my dictionary. And besides, we don't know each other personally. I don't have any personal quarrel with anyone. I don't go at a personal level.
Just when I thought we were making headways, here comes Hairpin's foolish "foolish" comment. Hmm... I won't fall for you brother. But other people are interested reading this discussion.
You just validated my opinion that we can't even have a civilize discussion about the name without generating the ire of the Morokontays. Of course, our arguments makes sense. Only fools don't see it. Or maybe, now you are offended by the name Morokontay. That's what we are saying brothers. Its a slur! Masakit sa tainga.
Anyway, I believe we got enough inputs. I guess, we have said all that we have to say. We can move on.
As always, this is just a talk. My apologies if I hurt your feelings but sometimes, I have to use hard words to drive my points... and you too. I understand.
Sallam.18 hours ago · -
Abuaiman T. Limbona ohh, i thought it was already close as brod. Arata Wata says, Sallam.18 hours ago ·
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Darkieboy Darksultan Statistically, SIR NAME CHANGER mentioned the good name Darkieboy within the bracket of 5-7 times with not-very-friendly comments on it. Well, in this case, I have to draw my conclusions now. And I hope these will clear up everything.
Conclusions: Applicable as one or more or all of these - possible.
1. A Moro girl broke his heart that made him hate the name bangsamoro (bad girl).
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Darkieboy Darksultan GUYS.....i think the flow is long enough. I suggest we better to end it here. We are sounding funny now. The crazy thing is that other guy/s don't notice that he/they is/are becoming a laughingstock in here...hihihi...16 hours ago ·
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Darkieboy Darksultan bro Arata Wata...no hard feeling mah mayn....after all we are all for the betterment of the Bangsamoro...and we are fwends..ayt? peace ya'll...t'was a healthy exchange of idea indeed...15 hours ago ·
Rayyan Makno Brother Arata Wata, let us leave these PROUD MOROS to their irrelevant reasonings jumping to other subjects outside the talking points, i.e. false analogies, non-sequitors, faulty generalizations, twisting facts, lies, putting words into our mouth, wrong or imagined accusations, dreams and fantasies, uysurpations and more. This is the problem with Moros, they are so PROUD of a name MOROS (Muslims must never be proud for being proud is the attribute of the Satan, Naudhobillahi min dhalik) that they do not listen to all the facts about the derisive word, the bad effects that MORO has on the struggle, the disunity it had caused up to now, and they stick to their twisted scanty knowledge of the derogatory MOROS. They refused to take lessons from what had happened to Misuari, the originator of the word Bangsamoro, his incarceration, and more. And above all, they refused to LOOK AT THE PROBLEM. And worst, their wistful thinking, their, illusions, and their ignorance of history, make them CONCOCT THINGS that has no relevance to what is being discussed. If they are the kind of SPEAKERS that will go to a forum, the whole assembly or gathering will reel into great embarrassment. They will pose as a great problem for our part of the religious divide as they will litter. Sa madaling sabi, nagkakalat sila at nalalayo sa punto ng usapan. Ang tapang din naman ng apog.4 hours ago ·-
Phadz Benito Ah! no one will stop you and your company..we are sad anyway in failing to convince you and your company to be a proud MORO just like us....you and your company will not accept the reality of the history, that long before the coming of spaniards in this country, we are MORO including Tagalog in Luzon..adhering to the QURAN and SUNNAH.introduce by nearby Muslim coutries..My grandmother told me that hindi tayo filipino...basta filipino daw na covert ng spaniards MORO tayo....3 hours ago ·
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Edris Tamano Indeed, there is no meeting of the minds in this thread of discussions and it is getting nowhere. This is just a waste of time--the subject matter is drowned as they resort to their wrong logic, erroneous syllogism, and wrong perceptions and beliefs. The become outrageous when Islam is invoked. Besides, they misinterprete our SIMPLE PROPOSAL FOR A CHANGE OF NAME that they felt threatened by our sincere desire to rectify the wrong and worst, they think of us as their enemies. Let me say these NOT TO THEM but to those reasonable brothers in the MUSLIM NATION 1. MORO/MOROS in Latin/Italian/Spanish means BLACK which these people used to refer to the black-skinned North Africans--such name-calling is a RACIAL SLUR in the Civilized World. The Greeks used it in the late centuries B.C., hence, Mauritania and Maurisco, Morisco Morocco. These North Africans did not accept this slur. 2. These Africans figured out in history as the great warriors in their wars with Greece and Rome, an example is the wars of Hannibal, the Punic Wars but they were not referred to as MOROS anymore. 3. When Islam spreads to North Africa, these people fought and resisted the Muslims for fifty years until they just converted to Islam. 4. When the Arabs with these North Africans (Berbers) ruled Spain for 800 years, the Spaniards revived the racial slur and called these people MOROS with the added connotations of unprintables. These so-called "Moros" were given roles as leaders of some regions in Andalucia leading to the deterioration of their administration paving the way to the Reconquista, the enthronement of Ferdinand and Isabella who sent explorers to the New World. 4. The Spaniards took the Philippines and derisively called the Muslim natives MOROS with the same denotation and connotations. 5. The Americans retained the bad name-calling. After the July 4 Independence granted by the Americans, the Filipinos continued the bad name-call causing much animosities and enmities between the Filipinos and the Muslim natives. When the Muslims joined the Philippine body politic, the discriminatory slur was held contrary to law by an anti-discriminatory bill in Congress passed by then Rep. Domocao A. Alonto. 6. The young Nur Misuari coined the word Bangsamoro resurrecting the long abhorred outlawed Moro as a name for the MNLF. 7. Some people, out of their Moro fervor were attracted to the MNLF, including those PROUD MOROS but according to statistics, they numbered less than 100, 000 registered members. 8. It was seen that these number increased very slowly despite the fact that all Muslims sympathize with the small group. 9.Arata Wata and companions realized after their thorough observations that changing the name MORO can lead to a general unity of the Muslim tribes in the Philippines that the MORO FRONTS failed to unite. 10. With the UNITY of the Muslims, the STRUGGLE will draw more adherrents and the so-called UNON of the tribes will take place and will give the Muslims more leverage in forming their own lot with an effective ISLAMIC governance to save the true state of the people. Reviewing the thread, the FOLLOWERS of NUR MISUARI's name-call are outrageously resorting to judgmental comments and fallacies that only served as WALLS, not BRIDGES, towards success and felicity. In that kind of mentality barring mutual consultation and refusing to understand the veracity of the proposal, is VEERING AWAY FROM THE wisdom of the SHURA and from the call of Islam, i.e. the verse, "Wa amruhum shura bainahum" (meaning, It is enjoined upon you the mutual consultation between you.2 hours ago ·-
Edris Tamano Folks, always remember that the battle is not all won in the battlefield--the important ones are secured in the negotiating table. Moroism cannot be a winning stake as it is contrary to the Laws in the Philippines. We got many lessons along the way, one of which is the MOA which cannot prosper because it contravened the basic laws of the land--we cannot simply force the issue. You have seen it happened--when the then president surreptitiously had pushed the MOA, she fell into HOT WATERS from the wrath of the public.2 hours ago ·
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Phadz Benito Bangsamoro quest for self determination is a long process may be due to administrative consraint (1987 const), inadequate resources, human capacity and unity for the BANGSAMORO..in listening to ABS-CBN AND MILF EXCHANGE of infromtion last night, it seems dead-lock...the government offering socio-economic development before political solution....MILF is asking for a political solution first before socio-economic development....it is like a horse and cart...so horse should be ahead of the cart...an analogy from MILF head...a sub-state..within a state....it is easire said than to think the process of having a sub-state...why not make ARMM as a stepping stone to a sub-state...an open suggestion....SHOW THEIR CAPABILITY IN TRANSFOrMING THE ARMM to sub-state, federal o whatever model they HAVE in mind for a self-determination for BANGSAMORO....AGREE WITH THE MNLF FACTION in their quest also for self-detrmination....what do you think Brothe al-moro....and of course ADVICE ARATA WATA COMPANY AND LIKE TO STOP ADVOCATING DEROGATORY CONNOTATION TO BANGSAMORO...EDUCATE THE MIND OF THE YOUNG GENERATION AND THE MASSES THAT THE MORO IS A BEAUTIFUL BACKGROUND HISTORY WHICH AS COMPARE TO A IDENTITY AS FILIPINO...hehhe2 hours ago ·
George Ag Marohombsar ENDLESS threads of bryt ideas but none of them can even introduce any suitable replacement for the name MOROS..2 hours ago ·-
Edris Tamano We know for a fact that our CLAIM for an ancestral land is valid, but we know also how laws work--any barring technicality along the way can halt it. What we need here is foresight, tact and strategy to have what is ours. But we did not have these--we just rushed head on2 hours ago ·
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Edris Tamano With peoples' attitude of barring with a nonesensical WALLS anything that is proposed without listening and or thinking its merit is CONTRARY to the principle of MUTUAL CONSULTATION in Islam. Remember that we are not here to make things HAPPEN, it's ALLAH's. We only propose and the Creator decides. Our duty is to DO THINGS IN THE WAY OF ALLAH (Fi Sabilillah) only to please HIM alone. O Moomineen, BE NOT PROUD for PRIDE is the way of the Satan. Pride begets ARROGANCE.2 hours ago ·
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Edris Tamano Our great leaders like Dr. Domocao Alonto (one of the 100 Greatest Muslim Leaders of the 20th Century), did not subscribe to the name-call MORO to refer to the tribes or their unity. The ARMM cannot be named Moro although it comprises the regions refered to by the MOROS adherents as Moroland.2 hours ago ·
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Edris Tamano @George: Your comment is judgmental--we have not yet started to suggest names as the first motion of Rayyan was blocked, you already jumped into conclusion that there is none. That is what Eiryneon referred to as a WALL...it is a BAR that blocks any suggestion. We were asking for open minds to open the discussions but did anyone of you ever suggested one? That is the BIG problem--you don't want to understand our comments: it is not only RAYYAN who will suggest a name, ALL OF US need to GIVE INPUTS. Look at the thread.2 hours ago ·
Saaduddin Alauya senator alonto used MUSLIM MINDANAO and it becomes part of the 1986 constitution. isang panalo yan. gawa ng isang mahusay na leader.2 hours ago ·-
Edris Tamano Phadz, YOU MISSED THE POINT AGAIN--WE ARE NEVER ADVOCATING DEROGATORY CONNOTATION TO BANGSAMORO, you are wrong again. We are ADVOCATING A GOOD NAME FOR OUR BANGSA. Is this difficult to understand. See ADVOCATE in the dictionary. Why should we ADVOCATE SOMETHING BAD? You are incriminating us--that is not good at all for a Muslim from a brother.about an hour ago ·
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Jun Macarambon Kaka Edris Tamano ... ok your are not advocating deragotory connnotation to Bangsamoro word but Arata Wata , Rayyan Makno and others can't accept the Moro because its a slur word .. its used for black and they claim its a deragatory word to call our Bangsa.about an hour ago ·-
George Ag Marohombsar am flattered..ty, being the judge. 600+ threads...or a terabytes more of threads to do another JUMPS....apparently, i may need to learn how to make that PAN DE SAL re ESCUDERO..to understand......or a plain DARANGEN is that necessary to understand and suggest a simple name......MORO, in fact is a FAIT ACCOMPLI...so far the only term that could possibly unite the various tribes of the colonial MORO PROVINCE. if you can't open ur mind to ponder how the hell did we jump to conclude with our province's name: LANAO, THEN 4GET the term MOROS... we are not MALANAOS... we are MARANAOS... EID MUBARAK bro....about an hour ago ·
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George Ag Marohombsar of course i don' wish to dignify those bloodsucking bastards to name us Moros...but time will come, inshaAllah, we gonna have a unifying glorious name for our homeland......WHEN? when we learn the ABCs of PAN DE SAL......reeducation to learn what it meant to be united as UMMAH....about an hour ago ·
Eiryneon Wave I think every point has already been put forward, so that the thread is now in an infinite loop. How about we'll put this issue to a vote of only YES or NO?42 minutes ago via mobile ·-
Phadz Benito Thanks jun for responding to brother Tamano as he want me to go back to high school looking for synomimous wording.so I have that in mind you are a part of those company believing and support the maltreatment of the word BANGSAMORO....venr mind keep your position who are we to educate you on this matter....33 minutes ago ·
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