There was no Moroland

[Amomoai]

From Rayyan Makno, etc. of Piss Book...

Rayyan Makno While the Americans and non-Muslims referred to Muslims as Moros, there was no such thing as Moroland. Up till now, that remains to be a concept that has never materialized due to the opposition of our fathers or grandfathers. Bangsamoro remains an NGO and is never accepted legally as designating all the Muslims in the south. How can a non-entity during the American regime join or secede from the Philippines? That is our fault. We are fighting for something that is not existing and that cannot be accepted as a legal entity in the OIC, in the UN, and anywhere. Why don't we talk of things that are real, like the Sultanates, the domain of the datus, or the homeland of the Muslim trbes that are really there? Why don't we talk of things that are really us, not the name-calling of the Spaniards and the Americans that they only used against us pejoratively, not out of respect or recognition?

Rayyan Makno Rudy Dianalan, the West had been distorting history by its erroneous name-calling, e.g. Indians for native Americans or Moros for indigenous Muslims in Mindanao. Many knew that the native Americans were not the Hindis (Indians) from the Asian Subcontinent, and the native Mindanaoans were not the Moors (Moros) of North Africa. Do not call our forbears Moros because they never accepted that as their name. Bangsamoro is a concept, a dream, a vision yet to be fulfilled if Allah wills. The sovereign states of the Mindanao datus were defined before Islam came to our shore, so that the concept of Moroism has not been known to the datus and their people. When the domain of the datus were redefined in the sultanates at the Islamization of the indigenous people of the islands a century or so before the coming of the Spaniards, the people of islands had been flourishing under the Sultanates that were never called Moro sultanates. It was only when the Spaniards came that they pejoratively cursed the Muslims as Moros just as they did to the North Africans. When the American came, they perpetrated the same Spanish slur in reference to Muslims in the Islands. Now, Mr. Dianalan, if you continue to speak of our people as Moros, you are in effect speaking in the point of view of the derogatory Spaniards and Americans, or in the context of their pejorative records, echoing the same malevolent imputations. And if you persist on that, you are a part of those who have distorted history. So, do not do that, my brother, as Muslims in the World, especially the North Africans, did not accept that. Calling Muslims by any other name ( like Saracen, Muculmano, Mohammedan, Moros, Moors, Terrorists, and the like, how much more for a derogatory name) is a disservice to Muslims.

Rayyan Makno Mr. Phadz Benito, the Moroland as designated by the Americans during the American Regime in the Philippines is a political maneuvre that was created as part of decimating the Muslims in the Islands. It was not a cadastral delineation. For instance, the ancestral domain of the Muslims is the whole of Mindanao, Sulu, Palawan, and part of North Borneo but to the Americans, there was none. There was no record of title. What is on record were the boundless Military reservations that took so much of the areas where these Muslims had built their ancestral homes and buried their dead. One day, a Muslim will wake up to know that he is squatting on a morsel of land that is a part and parcel of the private properties of the landed families of Luzon and the Visayas.

Rayyan Makno Folks, if we want the real metes-and-bounds of our ancestral domain, turn to the Sultanates of Sulu and Sabah, the Sultanate of Rajah Buayan, of Kabuntalan and Kotawato, and Ranao, because history cannot efface their traces, the heroism of our datus, rajahs, and sultans.. But if you insist on Bangsamoro and Moroland, then you can join the negotiation with the GRP which the latter used as a bait to manipulate us to their advantage. Now, P'noy is learning very fast in playing the game.

Rayyan Makno The trouble with us is we do not want to listen to a different point of view, different opinion, and we cannot think beyond what is obvious, so that we remain precarious as we are. Some people expect more likes than reactions and comments.
Rayyan Makno Pagar Rudy Dianalan, I beg to disagree as whether we like it or not, the World, the times, and all else are chainging and what prerogatives we have is to meet the changes on a positive outlook, that is to change for the better, to rectify the wrong, to redress the mistaken to correct the error, and in the case of Moro, to change it in a name that reflects our true identity because it is wistful thinking to say that Moro has changed in meaning to something honorable as if the dread, the bias, the prejudice, and the historical facts has just disappeared. No, Sir. No entity has recognized the Moro thing, not even the OIC to whom we expect refuge as Muslim states. Regaining our lost states or nations should be based on reality, facts and rights. Where is the Moroland and the Bangsamoro? Where are the Moros? Moros in English is Moors, where are they, where is the cultural identity of the Moors? Where are the facts, the truth?

Rayyan Makno Did our grandfathers and greatgrandfathers call themselves Moors? Are you a Moor? Is your customs and traditions Moorish?

Rayyan Makno Review your history, Mr. Phadz Benito. If you and anyone else in the Philippines, including the Americans, did not take the Moro name-call from the Spaniards, who introduced this Moro? Where did you take your Philippine History? Your World History? Who told you that Moro is synonymous to Muslims? If we are Moros or Moors, can you call our food and delicacies, our Darangen and Bayoks, our customs and traditions, our tools and implements, our folkways and ethos, our stories, Padol, Monkee, Pilandok, etc., our races, our faces, our chink eyes, our small brown stature, our languages and dialect, etc. MOORISH? The answer is no because all these are of the Malays or Malayan people and culture and never Moro or Moor. We have our relatives in Sabah, in Malaysia and other places who are never called Moros but they are Muslims. The Sultanate of Sulu, Palawan and Sabah was never called Moro Sultanate by its people. And so the other Sultanates in Mindanao. There are many things that you young people need to understand regarding the inside story of the creation of the concept Bangsamoro. For one, it was maneuvered to eradicate the Sultanates and take its place. It was unfortunate because the destruction of the sultanates is one big factor for the subjugation and secularization of the Muslims.

Rayyan Makno Mr. Phadz Benito posed a question to me, a Muslim:' which you will prefer to be called...Christian or Moro?' Let's explain this: Moro is a Christian word meaning black in its Spanish and Italian derivative which the Spaniard used pejoratively against North African Muslims and as a Muslim, only a troublemaker like the Spaniards of yore will ask me to chose it or be a Moro because that happened in Spain during the Reconquista and te Inquisition. As a Muslim aspiring to attain AL-IHSAN in my Islamic life, I will not prefer any one of them. But I am duty-bound to tell my brother Muslims to rectify their names and their way of life in order to become a true Muslim that will gain the pleasure of Allah. As Muslims, we must not lie about our identity. We are not the Moros that our enemies used to curse and pejoratively called us and we are not the Moros of North Africa. Our way of life is not Moorish neither. Are you a Moor? I am an Iranaon just as my tribe is Iranaon. The Iranaon people are Muslims. My father, my grandfather and a million of my relatives never called themselves Moro. Many of them died against the Spaniards and the Americans. What right do I have to called them a name they never want? I dread to destroy their legacy, the Sultanates and their Islamic bequests which they strengthened and reinforced with prayers to the Almighty Allah that whoever will attempt at destroying this legacy will be accursed.
Rayyan Makno It is not true that Moro is the only choice of a name as there are thousands of good names that reflects our true identity as a people. Moro was discarded long ago by our leaders. It was only resurrected when Misuari named the liberation front and we were only tollerating this on the precept that this is done in the name of Jihad Fi Sabilillah. But after a long decades, many knew and understood the stories behind.

Ahmad Ferdinand Tayuan Uka This would lead to confusions because I really remember what my grandfather said when he was still alive at the age of about more than hundred years talking to my father and my cousin Cmdr. Ronnie (Amelil Uka Malaguiok)....He said, "When we we're called by Americans Moros, we had to quarrel them because calling us Moro is defamation of Muslim because the meaning of Moro for us is IDIOT and LOW Class Citizen... that's why we never accepted moro as our ethnic group, I really not agree with that name Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF)..."

Sukarno Tanggol I want to yield to Brother Rayyan if only he has an alternative name that I can accept. But there is none.

The matter of sultanate is more historical-emotional, though we have hundreds of sultans in Mindanao, particularly in Lanao. It is a legacy we must respect but no longer an ideal politico-administrative necessity at present when we consider Islamic imperatives. I didn't see it in the Madina model; I don't see it in the English translations of the meaning of the Al-Quran. Our monarchy system is quite unlike the Malaysian model or the British system, the fact that colonialism did not afford us to let it evolve into an effective part of our governing system.

We shouldn't also mistake nationality with the people's religious belief. Who knows the Filipino, century or two hence, will be Muslim and the "Moro" pagan? Allah forbid but it's a theoretical possibility. Many of us are more pagan than Muslim today in words and deeds. Allah can change an incorrigible people!

Ahmad Ferdinand Tayuan Uka Yup, it was already accepted during the rise of MNLF because MNLF was called before as BLACKSHIRTS, upon recognition to OIC...

Rayyan Makno In all your arguments, one thing is undeniable, that is, Moro was a name call from the Spaniards, not from the Muslims, not from the Arabs, not from any friend of Muslims. Now, whether you dressed it in a regal, valiant, and honorable garb, it is still a bad word from the hateful mouth of our enemies. Why take a word from the enemies and make it our national identity? If many of us are so obsessed with things Spanish, why they did not take any good word of good description from them? Why take a word that historians referred to the North Africans, not us? I am also with Mr.

Sukarno Tanggol, that if there is a new name for us where we will agree upon, I am for it.

Rayyan Makno Historians on Islam and Muslim civilization rarely mentioned Moro, Moors, Moorish, and the like, and whenever they have to cite it, they pointed to the people of Morocco and North Africa as Moors or Moros yet seldom. Why take a strange name Moro that do not characterize us and our way of living? A name that gives us only a morsel of the bargain because we cannot be one with the original Moros of North Africa who never accepted the name? Muslim historians never mentioned Moros in their Arabic texts. Ano ba iyan, sampid lang ba sa pangalan na inaangkin natin pero hindi naman tayo kasali kapag binabanggit sa kasulatan?

Frank Soliman ang tanong....ano ang nangyari sa mga nag-petition, di ba naging pulitiko rin lahat? hehehe.... moro-moro lang yung mga petisyon na yun, isipin mo na lang naging members din ng parliament, governors and mayors ang mga ayaw daw, hehehe..

Rayyan Makno If Muslims in the World in these modern days aspired to interpret properly and implement Islamic governance, instead of straddling secularism and partial Islamic governance, or even resorting to the more chaotic demoracy, then we could have evolved into an ideal system that is practical and lawful. In a parallel syllogism, if we have aspired to develop the sultanates and make it more conforming to its Islamic principles and processes, instead of undermining it with the Misuarian Bangsamoroism, then we would have evolved a systematic and progressive Islamic governance that will be easily recognized by the OIC and the United Nation because it has a legal bases and it was really there existing, unlike the Bangsamoro that has yet to be established through armed struggle and political maneuvering. It is already more than four decades now and our future as seen by many of us are bleak. Allah, S.W.T., looks at how we take Islam into our hearts and how we intend in our mind the Islamic way and governance, not in our ability to make these things happen. If we take Islam in our hearts and our intention is directed at secularism and democracy which are the anathema of Islamic governance, then that democracy and secularism becomes a TAGHOUT (idol) and people indulging with it are prone to paganism, as what Mr. Sukarno Tanggol had inferred to earlier. We are created only to please Allah alone and as Muslims, the World and the mundane life is a SIJJEEN or prison to the believers as per the Hadith Sharif. If people will become fanatical to things like Moro, Moors, or Moroism, then that's another Taghout. Our duty is to serve Allah Almighty alone and as we stay on this Earth, we are enjoined to make our Islamic ways better or best and that is AL-IHSAN, always aspiring to perfect our ibadah. One of this Al-Ihsan is to do away with undesireable things like BAD NAMES, if ever we can.

Frank Soliman kung ganun e magtatayo na kami ng sultanate namin sa luzon? lols...

Frank Soliman pero di na pala kelangan, ang dami na ng sultan sa quiapo di ba? bawat kanto nga me sultan, hahahaha!!!