Ingaran a "MOROS"

[kalopindo]

Ino mangaday kha tarima tano dun a kapagingaran tano sa "MORO"??? . . tanodan tano ka aya mitho r’kitano sa "MORO” na so manga kasila (espaniol) so kasasbota ko ron na aya ma’ana “MORO” na so manga tao a daa kokomaniyan, tolisan, dii mamono sa daa sabap, manga tao a phapanga go magi ikog, sii ko miya una masa na andadun i ka tawaga r’kita a “MOROS” na iphamono tano ka ditano kadurus/khatarima oba tano buthowi sa “MOROS”.

Ay pandapat yo san manga Pilandokz !!!

So sakunon na aya ko di ip’malamala na M’RANAO ako a phoon sa Bangsa Ranao a isako lima ingud a mai’isa i antap sii ko daon pun kasakopa o manga kasila (espaniol) ago giya Endaratila (England) ma’ana giya “RANAO, MAGUINDANAO, SOLOG, MALOKO (MULLACAS), BORONAI (BORNEO)”, ... isa on a karina/tanda sa mai’isa gowani so antap angkai a lima ingud na sa polo a Borneo sa Sabah na adun a manga M’ranao roo a lagid tano sa basa, aya thotholanon na mbawataan siran o manga wawaraw a M’ranao a poon r’kitano sa Ranao a miyanabang ko Sulotan sa Bornai ko diiran di kapaki m’bonai ko manga tao sa Endaratila(England). . . . dapat yo ron o maka tindug so "BANGSA RANAO" . . . .

[Arata Wata]

mlagid ta san sa tind'g kalopindo. mapiya giyanan a kiya kdg angka sa giyanan a totholan on. ogaid na amay ka bangsa ranao na tanto tano pman a makapmblablag. ino tig akn a osarn tano na so Bangsa Muslim, kapakay pn a mipd on so manga Malaysian, Indonesian ago Boronai ka langon siran pagosar sa giyanan a basa a Bangsa.

di akn ka lino a giya bangsa moro. igira kwan na pamaka tot ako igira titho iran a inipagambog a giya kapngaran sa bangsa moro. kna oba miyathay, ka isako manga iskwela kami sa manila ago manga wata kami sa cagayan de oro na o btowi kami sa moro na pkararangitan kami.

aya antangan akn on na isako pagadn'n a giyanan a manga ompongan o di maninindgan na kinowa iran anan a ngaran kagiya gioto bo i katitimo o manga muslim sa pilimpinas, sa point of view o manga saruang a tao. ka so katitho niyan na di tano man ma iisa a bangsa. oman i isa ka solotanan na concept iyan na state. so solotan sa solog na isa, so solotan sa maguindanao na isa, sktano na federation o salopo ago liman a solotan sa pat a pangampong a ranao. in other words, they used the name for convenience without historical basis.

adn a pd a ompongan miyaninindgan na kna ba miosar sa gioto a basa a moro, if i am not mistaken.

so pamikiran akn on na, oway, pngamit kano dn sa bangsamoro. ogaid na para rakn na so marata ko bangsa na bangsa moro, so manga pipiya on, giya ditano di singanin'n a outcome a giya kini.kini.revolution, na bangsa muslim... so mbtowan tano sa Kini.Kini.Generation is Bangsa Muslim.

mataan ka bapiya imanto na, adn a saruang a tao san, na btowan ka niyan sa moro, na kaso kasoyn iyan na kararangitan ka... ka katawan ka i mitotoro iyan, i maana niyan sa di niyan on di katharowa.

so kapngaran na di pangalian ka aya dn di pangagatagn, aya pkasowa. sa imanto mambo na giya bangsa moro na tanto dn a mimbinasa. i am not surprised. sa ngaran bo na... duh!

[Motintir]

Banda mapiya na ipsorat tano sii so p'kabatiya ago so p'katokawan tano makapantag sa giyangkaya ingaran a MORO ka antano ron malo p'kaliwanagi, m'lagilagid tano sa tind'g, giyoto a kabasa ko ipho'on isako wata ako na dikod'n di pamimikiran'n antonay maana MORO ago anda miyakapo'on a basa? Aya kiyasabota ko ron na aya kon a paka asal angkaya MORO na MOOR (Moorish or Moors).

"Romans called them Maures from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. "

In the Spanish language, the term for Moors is Moro; in Portuguese the word is mouro. There seems to have been some confusion about the relationship of the word moro/mouro to the word moreno (which means brown), both from Greek maúros, i.e. black. However, the two words have different etymological roots.

The Spanish use the term and think of it as neutral in local sayings such as:
"no hay moros en la costa" (literally, "There are no Moors on the coast", meaning "the coast is clear").

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors/Moro(s)

Moors and Arabs
By: Yvonne Clark

When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors. It is no coincidence that the land inhabited by the Moors was called Mauritania and Morocco, meaning "Land of the Blacks."

In the beginning of the seventh century, the Arab prophet, Muhammad, began to preach the word of Islam. Consumed with religious fervor, the Arabs sought to spread Islam and conquer the world. By 708, the Arabs had overrun North Africa. Consequently, Moors in large numbers accepted Arabic as the national language and converted to their conqueror's religion, Islam. Interestingly, hundreds of years later, Africans who had been enslaved by Europeans would again convert to their conqueror's religion, Christianity.

After the fall of the Roman Empire (fifth century), Spain was held by a barbaric white tribe, the Visigoths. Though they were Christians, their brand of Christianity was cruel and unjust. For this reason, Spain's Jews, serfs, and slaves looked favorably upon the arrival of a new civilization in which they would be able to live free of persecution.

Tarik, a great African chief, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). An ancient source, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people.

The Moors were unstoppable, and Visigothic Spain ceased to be. The few resisting Visigoths fled to the caves of the Cantabrian Mountains. Later in the century, the cave dwellers would venture out of the Cantabrian Mountains and reclaim parts of northern Spain.

The Moors of Africa were the real conquerors. When the Arabs arrived, the hardest part of the job had been done. Instead of treating the Moors fairly, the Arab chiefs assigned themselves the most fertile regions. The dissatisfied Moors were not long in coming to blows with the Arabs. (The History of Spain by Louis Bertrand and Sir Charles Petrie - published by Eyre & Spottiswood, London, 1945, page 36). Ultimately, the Moors acquired two-thirds of the peninsula, which they named Al-Andulus.

Al -Andulus was obliged to pay tribute to the Arab Caliph (King) of Damascus. As Al-Andulus acquired its own identity, its bond with the Caliph began to weaken. In 756, Al-Andulus proclaimed itself an independent state. Thus, its only links to the Arabs would be the Islamic faith and the Arabic language.

The Moorish architectural remains in Cordoba, Seville, and Granada prove conclusively that these cities were more prosperous and artistically more brilliant than any Christian cities in Europe at the time. The Moors of Al-Andulus held the torch of leaning and civilization when the rest of Europe was plunged in barbaric ignorance.

If Moorish Spain had been an accomplishment of the Arabs it would have been called Arab or Arabic Spain. Instead it bears the name of its creators, the Moors, i.e., Moorish Spain. Moorish culture was black in origin, bright in Achievement, and powerful in its influence on the rest of Europe.

Moors and Arabs @ www.africawithin.com

Read more about MOORS The Moors Get @ www.moorsgate.com

[Ontay]

i'm proud bieng moro no matter what is means, in other side of history, si general legaspi na bitowan tano niyan sa Moro sabap ko kiyatabana o manga muslim ko manga espanyol ko kiyatidawa iran sa Zamboanga, na aya ini Tapsir iranon sa Basa muranao na Di Sangkop, di niyan isangkop so Agama niyan, looking back to Espanish Dictionary the word Moro na madakul i Maana dependi ko kapagosarangkaon, ogain na sa manga sarwang a Tao na aya ipumamaana iranon na Rebels sa tagalog na sowail, ino tano bitowan i legaspi sa moro ka siyopak tano so kabiya iran a manga kasila....

[Arata Wata]

i am not going to talk about the technicality of the word MORO because 99% of the filipinos don't care. when they say moro they don't say it out of respect for us. ask your filipino friends what they think of the moro besides kakawaraw. do you know that until now, church-run elementary schools in the country are still playing the moro-moro? it is a play that portrays the muslims as barbaric and savages - a beautiful muslim pricess was saved by a handsome virtuous christian prince.

it's like the word nigger in U.S. the word is perfectly okay to use in africa, to call a citizen of niger or other africans. but you don't call african american a nigger or you will end up in the hospital or court of law. and why is that? because white men used the name to derogate the african americans since few hundred years ago. they stopped using it but the meaning remained. we should try to learn from this experience. just because some "wise" muslims used the word MORO in their organizations it does not mean that the word changed its meaning, as far as the filipinos are concerned and besides, we NEVER called ourselves that name. look for it in our salsila.

it makes me puke when i hear those professionals proudly and arrogantly proclaiming their moroness. moro professionals, moro youth, moro here, moro there... no wonder, mi moro moro a giya ingd tano.

i am sorry that's how i feel about this damn name and i know some of our parents did not like it too, my late father was one of them.

bangsa muslim!

[Arata Wata]

i am sorry. i am so passionate about this subject ka so ngaran na aya di pangagatagn. magogorimt dn so kapagingd na bapiya so ngaran tano na di makaaatod. madidi ba titho tano a ngaran, ini ingaran tano sa ginawa tano. pamliin.

[Ahmad Suharto]

Salam,

So sakenon na mas mapiya nda a so kaoopakatan tano ron a aden a pakaasal iyan ko kinigoris o masa na ron tano den. Kaoopakatan reketano a mga Meranao, apya anda makagaganat a Meranao ko duwa a Ranao, a langon tano Meranao a isa-isa i pakapoon, adat, dadabiatan ago tindeg.

O pagilaya so kiyapanamar ago kapananamar o ped ko mga Muslim sa Philippines na aya den a marayag sa history na so mga Meranao i mithaong ko 'self-determination efforts' ko kapkhakilalaa ko Muslim sa Pilipinas. So mga lokes tano a aden pen a myangasesenador kiran na aya den a antap iran na makilala so Muslim sa Philippines ko kibibida iyan ko kadakelan a Filipino a mga Christians.

Misabap roo, na opama ka aya pikir na idadayon so mga antap iran, na aya den a mapya na kaosara ko Meranao as our identity. Kenaba mostahel oba sa pkhaori a masa na maaden so Republic of Ranao a mga tao ron na mga Meranao a aden a mga ped a mga bangsa a makaaatagon datar o Magindanaon, Taosug etc.

Datar a kiyathaonga sa Saudi Arabia ago so mga ped a inged a guwani ko dapen so modern Kingdom of Saudi Arabia na aden a mga mbidabida bangsa magiingedon lagid o mga Hejazi, Madani, Alghamdi, Aldossari etc.. Ogaid na so kiyapakatindega o myaona datu sa Saudi Arabia a puon ko bangsa Suodi ko ndatoan yan na miyaisa isa nyan so madakel a bangsa a di mambo petetembuay na di phagisaisa.

Datar tano mambo a mga Muslim sa Pilipinas a opama ka benar a aden a senganin tano ko self-determination, na isekel tano a mga Meranao na go phagunayan tano so mga efforts a kikowa tano ron. Ati ba tano den tetegelen a kapakipagisa-isa tano ko mga pagari tano sa Magindanao ago sa Solog i di tano kiran khailay oba iran maratabat so maratabat tano na oba iran masisinganin so pangindao tano. Aya taralbi na aden a mibulong tano ko (divide & rule policy) a minibagak o mga Espanyol. Na so kapagisa-isa tano ko kababaloy tano a mga Meranao na gyoto i marani ko aden a kaphakabulong yan.

Ogaid na di kaphakalipatan a aden mambo a singanin o mga pagari tano ko maratabat iran. Na naino ka sii den oto ko pkhaori a masa ka ba tano peman ai kipiis ko salakaw a taw so di niyan tindeg. Tanodan ka maregen so kapuuni ko apya antonaa mapiya singanin igira da kiyakhawaanon (da mga tomadeng yan: fundamentals).


Wa salam.

[Baooai]

Salam rkano langon a mga bangsa mi sa Ranaw. Inaw bagowa mama akopn na dowa a iphka rarangit ami ago so mga bolayoka akn a mga mranaw a pkang ami ko mga Kristian a mga klasmeyt ami, paganay ron na obaka miran pmbtowi sa "Moros ago Muklo". Sangkoto a masa na sii kami sa Lanao norte, badikowana madakl a mga kristiyan roo. Aya feeling aknun na lagido bako pka insulto, lagido aya pkapikir akn sa ginawako na tantowako a ibababa angkoto a mga sarwang.

Ditano kababayaan a mga Muslim sa Pilimpinas o batano pkabthowi sa ingaran a MORO labaw ron sktano a mga Mranaw. Aya paka iza akn na antona ay imbtho rktano a ingaran para ma-identify tanao a mga muslim filipino? Opama ko Mranaw bo na dipman magiyog so pda a mga muslim, labawron so adn a mayto bo a siig iyan ko lagid tano a mga mranaw. Antonay kasowa iran lagid o Maguindanao, tausog, iranon, yakan, kalagan, so mga balik islam.., kay mga muslim siran pn agoso mga pd a trayb a filipino a maga agama sa Islam. Ayaman a prroblema sii na maka liyo liyo sa Muslim aya ago Moro na daman a unified a pd a ingaran a maiisa tano ron langon a mga muslim sa filimpinas.

Sakn na diko mambo kababayaan o bako ptawaga a Mukolo odi na Moro ka kiya layaman akn a diko kababayaan. Aya thothol aknon a mayto a kna pman o bako kiya pangadian, dikhitawan mambo o andamanayay kiya sowa akoron na.., sktano kon a mga muslim sa pilimpinas na inoto tano kiya btowan sa Moro ka gowani kon a maka thidawa so mga tao sa Moroco a go so mga Spaniyol na thito kondna mawaraw so mga Morocan. Sa pakagaanta so thotol, so kinisampay ran sa Pilimpinas na mini thidawa iran so mga muslim sii na miya maka warawwaraw mambo na giyoto tigiran a mga moro pmbs ai. sa giyanani sabot aknon mambo sa sii rkatanodn miya timo so bayabaya ogaid na maka ploba tano sa ingaran a isambi tano sa Moro aya a palaya tanodn a mga muslim sa pilimpians na maka ayunon. (miyaka rawa a tanto na, pasinsya na a tigiran owm..?)

[Arata Wata]

baooai, i suggest the name "BANGSA MUSLIM". na langon on minipd so manga pagari tano, including balik islam, ago so manga brown people sa borneo, malaysia, indonesia.

Bangsa Muslim.

[Edris P. D. Tamano]

Baooai said:

Salam rkano langon a mga bangsa mi sa Ranaw. Inaw bagowa mama akopn na dowa a iphka rarangit ami ago so mga bolayoka akn a mga mranaw a pkang ami ko mga Kristian a mga klasmeyt ami, paganay ron na obaka miran pmbtowi sa "Moros ago Muklo". Sangkoto a masa na sii kami sa Lanao norte, badikowana madakl a mga kristiyan roo. Aya feeling aknun na lagido bako pka insulto, lagido aya pkapikir akn sa ginawako na tantowako a ibababa angkoto a mga sarwang.

Ditano kababayaan a mga Muslim sa Pilimpinas o batano pkabthowi sa ingaran a MORO labaw ron sktano a mga Mranaw. Aya paka iza akn na antona ay imbtho rktano a ingaran para ma-identify tanao a mga muslim filipino? Opama ko Mranaw bo na dipman magiyog so pda a mga muslim, labawron so adn a mayto bo a siig iyan ko lagid tano a mga mranaw. Antonay kasowa iran lagid o Maguindanao, tausog, iranon, yakan, kalagan, so mga balik islam.., kay mga muslim siran pn agoso mga pd a trayb a filipino a maga agama sa Islam. Ayaman a prroblema sii na maka liyo liyo sa Muslim aya ago Moro na daman a unified a pd a ingaran a maiisa tano ron langon a mga muslim sa filimpinas.

Sakn na diko mambo kababayaan o bako ptawaga a Mukolo odi na Moro ka kiya layaman akn a diko kababayaan. Aya thothol aknon a mayto a kna pman o bako kiya pangadian, dikhitawan mambo o andamanayay kiya sowa akoron na.., sktano kon a mga muslim sa pilimpinas na inoto tano kiya btowan sa Moro ka gowani kon a maka thidawa so mga tao sa Moroco a go so mga Spaniyol na thito kondna mawaraw so mga Morocan. Sa pakagaanta so thotol, so kinisampay ran sa Pilimpinas na mini thidawa iran so mga muslim sii na miya maka warawwaraw mambo na giyoto tigiran a mga moro pmbs ai. sa giyanani sabot aknon mambo sa sii rkatanodn miya timo so bayabaya ogaid na maka ploba tano sa ingaran a isambi tano sa Moro aya a palaya tanodn a mga muslim sa pilimpians na maka ayunon. (miyaka rawa a tanto na, pasinsya na a tigiran owm..?)

[Edris P. D. Tamano]

The word MORO has passed through a metamorphosis over time. There are good attributes and there are bad ones. Now, its acceptability will depend on a person's perception and point of view. For the Visigoths (western Germanic people), one of the cruelest barbaric Teutonic tribes that overran Europe in the Early Christian era, the Moros (Moors) were the worst of people because they were their conquerors and subjugators (together with the Arabs and other Muslims, of course) for about 800 long years. The Spaniards hate them like hell because the people they called Moros (un-vanquised and never subjugated) staged intermittent retaliatory raids against them and their native allies whom they called the Indios of the Visayas and Luzon. The native Indios felt the same as their Castellian masters. From here came the brand name: pirates, raiders, looters, killers, barbarians, etcetera...etcetera. Look who is talking! For the victors and the un-conquered who flourished from this unwarranted little wars, the Muslims, from Lapu Lapu to Sultan Kudarat will not have any problem with this name MORO because this is the name given to VICTORS in the west (Iberia and France) and in the east (Spain, Portugal and England, the so-called superpowers) which later, included America. Now, which do you prefer as your namesake, Muslim Morocco (Moors) and Moros or FILIPE, the Spanish prince?

[Edris P. D. Tamano]

Edris P. D. Tamano said:

The word MORO has passed through a metamorphosis over time. There are good attributes and there are bad ones. Now, its acceptability will depend on a person's perception and point of view. For the Visigoths (western Germanic people), one of the cruelest barbaric Teutonic tribes that overran Europe in the Early Christian era, the Moros (Moors) were the worst of people because they were their conquerors and subjugators (together with the Arabs and other Muslims, of course) for about 800 long years. The Spaniards hate them like hell because the people they called Moros (un-vanquised and never subjugated) staged intermittent retaliatory raids against them and their native allies whom they called the Indios of the Visayas and Luzon. The native Indios felt the same as their Castellian masters. From here came the brand name: pirates, raiders, looters, killers, barbarians, etcetera...etcetera. Look who is talking! For the victors and the un-conquered who flourished from this unwarranted little wars, the Muslims, from Lapu Lapu to Sultan Kudarat will not have any problem with this name MORO because this is the name given to VICTORS in the west (Iberia and France) and in the east (Spain, Portugal and England, the so-called superpowers) which later, included America. Now, which do you prefer as your namesake, Muslim Morocco (Moors) and Moros or FILIPE, the Spanish prince?

[Edris P. D. Tamano]

Muslim or Islam is so generic a word with so many attributes and meanings as to be used as a name of a small number of people, let alone the Muslim tribes in the Philippines that comprise a little more than ten (10%) percent. Let me tell you about a book I am writing now entitled "There is no Islamic Arts and Architecture!" The gist is that "There is the Arts and Architecture of the Muslims". Here, the author, yours truly, contends that the word Islamic is most of the time ABUSED or wrongly applied. For instance, apparently, no one will deny that the Taj Mahal is an Islamic Architecture, per se. As one of the wonders of the world erstwhile, it is nice to be true. It is a Mausoleum, a magnificent tomb dedicated to Mumtaz, the beloved wife of Shah Jahan, the Jahanpanah emperor of India (Mughal Dynasty). Is this allowed in Islam? On a similar syllogism, is it acceptable that an apostate or a killer cum thief be called Muslim Maranao or Muslim Tausug or the like?